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Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,992 east central WI D ![]() trapper | |
Dirty D![]() trapper D Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,992 east central WI | Originally Posted by Spike369 They ruin turkey hunts, bowhunts and everything else.. It is the owners fault because they don't want to control their dogs. they can't control their dogs, that's the point. |
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Elkguy![]() trapper E Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,121 Near Gardiner MT | Im pretty sure in Montana its legal to shoot dogs that are chasing deer. CBCS |
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BigBob![]() trapper B Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 21,399 St. Louis Co, Mo | NOT IN MISSOURI!!!!! Shock collar training should be done well BEFORE the trials, and "correcting" a hound mid trial is not allowed. Some bunghole with his Deer runners can really ruin a field trial. The pack will follow and tongue a line the lead dog is running, Good dogs will come back with a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) look on their face. Rest of the pack goes on the clock, while the handlers try to catch them up and get them back where they started out. Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon. Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor. Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs! |
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Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,234 Eau Claire Wi Trap Setter ![]() trapper | |
Trap Setter![]() trapper Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,234 Eau Claire Wi | Sounds like the fishermen were glad to help and didn't accept money offered. Good guys helping out, good story, thanks for sharing it. Life sure is tough when you don't learn from the mistakes of others. |
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Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 511 PA coontrapper81 ![]() trapper | |
coontrapper81![]() trapper Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 511 PA | Originally Posted by walleyed Originally Posted by coontrapper81 Hunting with hounds and trapping are so tightly connected that we need to support one another in every way possible. Tightly connected is right !!! The trapper busts his butt laying out his trap line Without all the trapper's hard work before hand, Tightly connected indeed !!! w Tightly connected in the sense that everyone is against us and the day one group suffers so will the other next. If you dont understand that then youre clueless. And everyone I know that traps has also owned hunting dogs or loved participating hunting with dogs. Its very bizarre to me for a trapper to ever be against hound hunting. Just as it would be bizarre for a hound hunter to ever be against a trapper. I know hundreds of hound hunters as Im deeply involved in beagle trials in many states, and actively hunt coyotes and bobcats with dozens of guys. Not one single guy I know would ever bad mouth a trapper. Many of us beaglers trap as well since were all for killing rabbit predators as much as possible. |
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Joined: May 2011 Posts: 16,868 Oakland, MS yotetrapper30 ![]() trapper | |
yotetrapper30![]() trapper Joined: May 2011 Posts: 16,868 Oakland, MS | Originally Posted by Elkguy Im pretty sure in Montana its legal to shoot dogs that are chasing deer. Except this happened in MS, where it's LEGAL to run deer with dogs, and illegal to shoot dogs. Originally Posted by coontrapper81 Originally Posted by walleyed Tightly connected is right !!! The trapper busts his butt laying out his trap line Without all the trapper's hard work before hand, Tightly connected indeed !!! w Tightly connected in the sense that everyone is against us and the day one group suffers so will the other next. If you dont understand that then youre clueless. And everyone I know that traps has also owned hunting dogs or loved participating hunting with dogs. Its very bizarre to me for a trapper to ever be against hound hunting. Just as it would be bizarre for a hound hunter to ever be against a trapper. I know hundreds of hound hunters as Im deeply involved in beagle trials in many states, and actively hunt coyotes and bobcats with dozens of guys. Not one single guy I know would ever bad mouth a trapper. Many of us beaglers trap as well since were all for killing rabbit predators as much as possible. I see both of your points and if either of you think the other is absolutely wrong, then YOU'RE wrong. I know of the particular houndsmen mentioned in this article, it happened less than 30 minutes from me. And I promise you, they do NOT like trappers at all. They will cause trouble for trappers when they can. If you honestly never heard a houndsmen talk chit about trapping, you don't know very many houndsmen. That said, I also know of a group of coon hunters not affiliated with the above group, who welcomed me into their group knowing full well I was a trapper. I can't speak for every one of them, but at least some of them have expressed support for trapping. If you honestly never met a houndsman that supports trapping, again, you don't know many houndsmen. I think a lot of it depends on area, and the particular groups you're dealing with. If the only houndsmen I knew were the Grenada ones I would probably think all houndsmen suck. And if I only knew the ones I coon hunted with, I'd think they were all great. The bottom line is that trapping and hound hunting both ARE at the front of the line headed towards the chopping block. IF there was some way for the two to work together, that would be great, but I also understand that that would not be possible in ALL situations. Maybe we all just need to try not painting with so broad of a brush? ~~Proud Ultra MAGA~~ |
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Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,623 Nebraska Trapset ![]() trapper | |
Trapset![]() trapper Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,623 Nebraska | Originally Posted by Trap Setter Sounds like the fishermen were glad to help and didn't accept money offered. Good guys helping out, good story, thanks for sharing it. Like |
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walleye101![]() trapper W Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,495 MN | Gotta love these houndsmen vs. trapper threads. The discussion invariably goes downhill fast. As both a hound guy and a trapper, after reading through these, I can't help but end up hating myself. |
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Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,623 Nebraska Trapset ![]() trapper | |
Trapset![]() trapper Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,623 Nebraska | Originally Posted by walleye101 Gotta love these houndsmen vs. trapper threads. The discussion invariably goes downhill fast. As both a hound guy and a trapper, after reading through these, I can't help but end up hating myself. HA! I cant count how many deer/duck hunts I ruined as a kid checking traps b4 school. |
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Bear Tracker![]() trapper B Joined: Jul 2016 Posts: 2,834 Wisconsin | I try to balance the two but struggle with my and everyone's private property rights, dealing with dogs and their owners going on my property without permission. I do not see the dog owners' rights trumping my private property rights and my being on my property being disrupted or ruined by the inability of the dog owners to control their animals. In WI it is my responsibility to keep your farm animals off my property, thus I need to maintain fences. Is it my responsibility to keep someone's dogs off my property? If so what are the options? The owners claim an inability to control their dogs as in farm animals it is the land owners responsibility to keep them out how does one do that? |
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Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,992 east central WI D ![]() trapper | |
Dirty D![]() trapper D Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,992 east central WI | Originally Posted by Bear Tracker I try to balance the two but struggle with my and everyone's private property rights, dealing with dogs and their owners going on my property without permission. I do not see the dog owners' rights trumping my private property rights and my being on my property being disrupted or ruined by the inability of the dog owners to control their animals. In WI it is my responsibility to keep your farm animals off my property, thus I need to maintain fences. Is it my responsibility to keep someone's dogs off my property? If so what are the options? The owners claim an inability to control their dogs as in farm animals it is the land owners responsibility to keep them out how does one do that? In WI you can kill a dog if its threatening to do serious bodily harm and other restraining actions have been tried and failed OR immediate action was necessary. A good example of this is I have a buddy who's dad raises exotic pheasants, Lady Amherst, golden pheasants and such, he had issues with a neighbors dog jumping against the pens and scaring the birds causing them to fly against the cages and beat themselves up. So in WI if a dog is threatening someones domestic animal and the animal is on the owners property its OK to kill the dog if other restraining actions have been tried and failed OR immediate action is required. It is not your responsibility to keep others dogs off your property, its up to the dogs owner, so if someones dog is on your property threatening your livestock and you feel immediate action is required your good to shoot the dog in WI.. |
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walleyed![]() trapper W Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 8,756 Henderson, N.Y. Jefferson Co. | Originally Posted by Dirty D So in WI if a dog is threatening someones domestic animal and the animal is on the owners property its OK to kill the dog if other restraining actions have been tried and failed OR immediate action is required. It is not your responsibility to keep others dogs off your property, its up to the dogs owner, so if someones dog is on your property threatening your livestock and you feel immediate action is required your good to shoot the dog in WI.. BANG !!! w "Provisional/Interim" member of NYS Trappers Association I Support Non-Resident Trapping |
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Wanna Be![]() trapper W Joined: May 2018 Posts: 11,347 SW Georgia | I have never had a dog ruin a hunt. |
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Swamp Wolf![]() trapper S Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 13,052 South Ga - Almost Florida | Originally Posted by Wanna Be I have never had a dog ruin a hunt. WB, The saving grace down here for the houndmen is that most of this land is back to back 5,000 to 25,000 acre hound leases. Deer hounds, hog dogs, bear hounds, coon hounds, bcat hounds.... The fringes of this huge dog hunting area is where the recurring problems are....ie where the dog club borders the still hunting club or a private landowner.......oh my! Most houndsmen have e-collars now and can control/stop their hounds with the push of a button. But, it sure hasn't always been this way. It is much better than it was. Field trials down here rarely occur outside of an enclosure (where trappers sell their coyotes and fox). And Georgia has no legal deer dog training season. Hound hunting for deer, fox, coyotes, coons, bcats, bears, etc is the fastest disappearing activity in the outdoor world. I hate to see it go, but it's a combination of costs to join a large lease, costs of keeping hounds, costs of fuel when hunting, and the large land area requirement for free-running hounds. It is dying out and its noticeable even down here in this pure hound country where dog boxes stay in the bed of pickups year-round. Last edited by Swamp Wolf; 06/22/24 10:50 AM. Reason: Spelling error Thank God For Your Blessings! Resource Protection Service |
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BC-Buck![]() trapper B Joined: Dec 2023 Posts: 152 MO | All it take is one stupid dog or owner to ruin well trained dogs. In MO they can run dogs on your property as long as owner is not trespassing which is bull crap. Had one fool running coyote dogs no my place during deer rut. Ruined one of my days of deer hunting vacation. |
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Wanna Be![]() trapper W Joined: May 2018 Posts: 11,347 SW Georgia | So coyotes running deer dont affect deer? But someone running coyotes does? Now as Swamp mentioned, we dont have deer hounds over here in my part of the State. The only hounds I see are coon, hog, and bird dogs and they run what theyre trained to run. Heck, if someone had coyote hounds wed turnem loose and say go for it. |
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GUNNLEG![]() trapper G Joined: May 2023 Posts: 233 Virginia | Yall come on to VA. My only saving grace is I have several hundred yards of deep swamp on the back of my property and not 3/4 mile past my farm is a rural interstate that stays moderately busy. The dog clubs dont want their dogs getting near that interstate. I also have neighboring farms on either side that only have still hunters. The problem I have with it is the parcels are shrinking. Im as much to blame for that as I bought the smaller half of a 500 acre farm. The bigger half was turned into 5 acres lots. The days of having clubs with continuous acres are gone and the houndsman for the most part havent adapted. Many still run long legged Walkers for deer hunting. I couldnt comment of coon hunters as that seems to have all but died out +10 years ago around my area. Ive hunted in dog clubs in the past and the best of them cannot control their dogs from crossing onto non-permissioned property. The worst of them didnt care. My property rights should trump anyone elses rights whose name isnt on the tax bill. Ive literally had club presidents in the area stop to tell me how bad it was that the land was getting all bought up and they didnt have any appreciable acreage to hunt anymore. Always followed by asking me for permission or a lease. When they get a NO, then Im the problem. I get it to a certain degree, but you aint the one with the bill every month. |
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GUNNLEG![]() trapper G Joined: May 2023 Posts: 233 Virginia | Wanna Be, I can promise you that the beginning of dog season affects deer movement. Its probably got more to do with the additional hunters hunting, but its when I see my daylight movement fall off to nothing. First 10 min in the morning and last 10 min of the evening is what the hunting turns into. Seen the same pattern play out over 40 years of hunting. Once again, Ill admit its problably more to do with the hunters increasing, but without the dogs, many of those hunters wouldnt be around. It does get better later in the season, but only because many deer on the other side of my swamp get pushed onto my property as there is less pressure. |
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Swamp Wolf![]() trapper S Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 13,052 South Ga - Almost Florida | Originally Posted by Wanna Be So coyotes running deer dont affect deer? But someone running coyotes does? Now as Swamp mentioned, we dont have deer hounds over here in my part of the State. The only hounds I see are coon, hog, and bird dogs and they run what theyre trained to run. Heck, if someone had coyote hounds wed turnem loose and say go for it. It's not just the running of the deer (which coyotes do mostly silently)....add in the barking/roar of the pack, the shooting of guns, and last but not least....the ripping and raring of several pickups up and down the roads in the area. Thank God For Your Blessings! Resource Protection Service |
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